Take 3
Here's a link to Team Member Covenant 3. Enjoy!
posted by The Coreman at 2:26 PM
10.17.2006
The Core Team
- Ryan Wiksell - Pastor
- Christina Wiksell - Administrative Coordinator
- Josh Wilmoth - Discipleship Director
- Kris Wilmoth - Financial Coordinator
- Michael "Mik" Mikulan - Front Porch Project Manager
- Phillip Scoggins - Outreach Director
- Amy Scoggins - Arts Coordinator
- Read Bios
- Another Crack at a Covenant/Self-Evaluation
- Team Member Self-Evaluation
- Front Porch General Contractor?
- Lead & Learn
- Citizenship
- An Operational Schematic
- Leadership Roles
- Worship, The Arts, Outflow, and Outreach
- Why this?
- Membership Ideas
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5 Comments:
Another huge step in the right direction. We're almost there, I think! I compared this draft to the last one, and very much applaud all of the modifications.
The one and only question that still lingers to me is, doesn't the "Heart" section overall still conflict with C3? To me, finding satisfaction in grace and strength in joy are in relation to God's gifts, not the person of Jesus Himself. It's kind of like appreciating our wives because they're good cooks, organizers, or even "lovers". I know this is somewhat intangible, since "seeing God" apart from His gifts is very difficult. But the best I know how to explain it is that we see Him in creation, in our spirit, and in Scripture for who He truly is, and we adore and fear Him for what we see. Or we don't, and therefore commit a grave (perhaps the gravest) sin.
Am I making sense? Enjoying God's gifts is important, and I'm not opposed to having something in there about that, but enjoying Godself is something higher, more fundamental, I believe.
Grace to you, brother. You're doing a great job. ;-)
3:02 PM
Good comments... I think this is the first one I'm going to stand up to just a bit.
Let me talk about the distinction between God's face and God's hand.
God's face = the personhood, essence, and nature of God.
God's hand = the blessings and gifts of God.
God's grace and joy fall somewhere in between, because they are both attributes and gifts. He doesn't give them to us, He shares them with us. I could replace "God's grace" with "God's graciousness" and "God's joy" with "God's joyfulness" without changing my intended meaning. The idea is to enjoy them as gifts to us, but also to enjoy them equally as attributes of the God we worship.
Even still, there is a danger in seeking God's grace and His joy ahead of Godself. In that regard, I do not mean A1 to come before C3 in priority. (Remember, the covenant is not listed in priority-order.)
One more thing... to give C3 a greater sense of priority, I am changing "character of Christ" to "person of Christ" and moving it up to C1.
3:40 PM
It's not really about standing up or conceding. It's about collaborating to create something we all agree on. One thing we'll have to agree to (which I commented on in the "Roles" post, is avoiding territorialism and taking things personally when planning.
As for section IA1 with regard to your explanation, those are then but two of God's attributes. While I will agree that there is a verse of scripture that tells us God rejoices over us with singing, I hardly think that "joy" is a pivotal characteristic of God. It seems like you threw it in there to appease my appetite for the word (which I do not have).
Maybe the better question is, are you opposed to wording like "I will fervently pursue my joy in God"? If so, why? What's the purpose of singling out two attributes of God and listing our responses to those?
I'm not interested in winning or losing or anything of the sort. I'm just trying to help us hone in on a fundamental truth and articulate this covenant in a way that is straightforward and encompassing. Comments to the effect of "standing up to" reveal something of a competitive spirit, which has no place in these discussions. They only muddy the waters and distract from the purpose, which is to collaborate in the drafting of this covenant.
4:17 PM
Sorry, man... I overstated myself when I said "stand up to."
What I meant was, up to this point I had been agreeing with you wholeheartedly, but then I saw something worthy of friendly debate. That's all. Sorry to throw you off like that.
I am not opposed to wording it like you said, "fervently pursue my joy in God." But I like the idea of referencing the two verses that say, "God's grace is sufficient for me" and "The joy of the Lord is my strength."
I don't think either way would be wrong... let's just see what everybody else thinks.
4:22 PM
It is more than mere wording, though. We're talking about two different ideas. Do you see the difference?
I was too harsh with my response, actually. I should've said, "Now, now, let's not get our panties in a ruffle," or something more lighthearted. Sorry for being my blunt self. ;-)
4:37 PM
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